Exaclty what #7 said cameron...DEE DEE DEE

RESPONDING 2 #3 CAMERON WTF SHE SHOULD'VE COME IN LEGALLY ITS THE BITCHES FAULT!!!

THE DAMN SPIC SHOULDA STOPPED IT'S THEIR OWN FUCKING FAULT FREE THE OFFICER!!!

Just so that everyone is up to date. Look like the illegal criminals tried to sue for 1.5 million. However, the settle amount was $100,000. I wonder if they will file that one their taxes. OH yeah I forget they don't file taxes.

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like
calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed
pharmacist."

Camron,

What are you doing in the U.S.-why not move to Mexico. See how far you can get away with there government or lack off. People commit a crime when coming illegally, is that news to you as well? Also, just incase you didn't know there are jobs in Mexico as well? I know, I have family memebers who live in Mexico and wouldn't have it any other way (good for them). It's the handed down benefits that illegal people are seeking everything from tax payer $ to free education, to food stamps, welfare, medicaid, housing, and the list goes on..... If your going to do something do it right and the legal way. ONE MORE THING. When you read the article (starting to think you didn't with all the false information that your throwing around) what did you think when it mentioned that the they tried to run over the deputy? What about his life, his family, his baby daughter, his community, his friends, and $20k annual income (yeah that's it)to keep the family above water? Yeah protecting his community and his life; for some illegals to do this to a innocent young,fine man. If you want a example of a hispanic struggling with 3-4 part time jobs to help his widow mom with bills and paying his way through college, it's this deputy. What do you think about that. He to struggled to have what he had, and didn't have to do anything illegally. It's all doing what's right. But you know what I'll say a prayer for you, because you need it.

This is what your hate leads, proud of yourselves?

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Unknown gunmen fired on a truck packed with suspected illegal immigrants in southern Arizona early on Friday, killing two people and wounding a third, police said.

The gunmen killed a man and a woman traveling in a pickup truck near Green Valley, some 30 miles south of Tucson, Pima County Sheriff's Department said.

Spokeswoman Dawn Barkman said the dead were believed to be Mexican immigrants traveling with three family groups from the poor southern Mexican state of Chiapas.

Barkman said two children were among at least 14 people packed into the extended-cab pickup truck.

Hey camoron, have you ever played "monkey in the middle"?

No I've not exposed myself as a left wing moonbat Hahaha I've been using the term since before you likely even knew where it came from. Check out Samizdat some time when you get a chance. Much like the gorbal warming idiots you idiots want to pretend that to be a conservative one needs to endorse your bigotry, sorry that isn't the case. You and those that think like you are the pretenders.

Cameron

I'll keep you in mind the next time I make a comment about global warming being a load of crap and being labelled a holocaust denier.

The left is about "free speech for me and none for thee"

Why are you still here?

You've totally exposed yourself Camoron. Your a lift-wing, moon-bat troll. A whacked out lib that fancies him self as a giant among mental migets. Do as Icerigger says, and crawl back under your bridge.

ya that's the way to go Icebrigger defeat that which you can't deal with honestly don't want any diversity of thought heaven forfend. With that comment you betrayed yourself as the real moonbat.

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Moonbats out thick today. Cop almost gets run over, shoots out a tire, criminal gets hurt, Sutton prosecutes a cop for doing his job. To quote MS, what's the problem.

The problem is Americans who hate the cops and love criminals more than the law that protects this country's citizens.

By the way how the hell can can a cop who shoots out a tire be convicted of using deadly force?! Both Sutton and the judge should be debarred.

New flash to the liberal trolls. One third of felons in our Federal prison system are non-citizens. Deal with it than crawl back under your bridge.

MU this is your site. Don't feel obligated to explain yourself to the idiots. It's like debating a bumbersticker. Delete their post. It's the only way to deal with trolls.

What the hell did 'got your baseball bat handy' mean?

Liberals are quite simply; stupid, in sane, and have no logical arguments except to prop the victim time and again.

As far as I know, riding in the trunk of a car is illegal, too; not to mention that the man driving the car was trying to run over Hernandez.

What part about Hernandez shooting in self defense do you not understand?

I guess you don't agree with someone defending himself; Hernandez should have just let the illegals run him over then?

The destruction of America? Got your baseball bat handy?

What a copy-and-paste strawman load of crap.

All those immigrants listed CAME HERE LEGALLY! THEY DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW TO COME HERE. For some reason, you just don't want to understand that.

In addition, those immigrants came here TO JOIN THE US. They wanted to learn to be American. They wanted to assimilate and become American. Today's Mexican immigrants DO NOT.

The immigrants in generations past ASKED FOR NOTHING! They did not get free houses. They did not get free money. They did not get free education. They did not get free medical care. They worked for everything they got.

You don't want to see the truth. You want to support the destruction of America. Just be honest about it.

SC&A Vent

May 17th, 2006

The time has come once more for SC&A to unload.

We don't care who we insult or who takes offense. Unlike the other
brilliant therapists who regulary blog, we are dead and thus don't
give a rats ass about what you think. Further, we are smarter than
you, better looking than you and the object of desire of many fabulous
and good looking women. For you whiny bastards out there, we concede
you look nice in your pink shirt, yellow paisley tie and dress flip
flop with tassels.
Onwards.

Let's get real about immigration. The same cheap ass bigotry that is
on display today in much of the right wing blogosphere, predates you.
That's right- your high minded bigotry, couched as 'concern,' is
nothing new.

When the Irish Catholics came off the boat in New York, escaping from
famine and certain death, high minded Americans beat the crap out of
them because the freakin' Catholic papist evil bastards were going to
ruin the country.

When the Italians and the Jews got off the boat in New York, there
were those who met them at the docks and welcomed them with baseball
bats- literally. Why? Because the damn Jews and more papist evil
bastards Italians were going to ruin America. Later migrations of
other ethnic groups were met with similar experiences. If the welcome
in New York wasn't enough, that human flotsam that boarded trains to
middle America had it even worse. There was no 'neighborhood,' there
was not much of an immigrant community to find refuge. Immigrants to
these shores faced hatred and bigotry that was unimaginable. Some of
this fine and caring 'immigrant aid societies' sold children into
servitude in the midwest (Norman Rockwell never got around to painting
pictures of Italian and Irish kids being beaten and worked like farm
animals), to never again see their parents. There are countless,
similar stories, but they are irrelevant. The only saving grace this
country had is the truth that Europeans were even crueler and in other
parts of the world, the kafir was treated even worse.

Incredibly, immigrants survived despite the bigotry of many of this
country's citizens. Now, pay attanetion lefties and stop touching
yourselves. Your as racist and bigoted as any on the left. We'll get
to your sorry and miserable asses later. As for the Hispanics reading
this, stuck around- your turn to be insulted is coming.

Here's the deal- Hispanic immigrants aren't going to ruin America. You
know why? Because they come here as 'wretched refuse.' They have no
other place to go. They see the buffet and smorgasbord of
possibilities and are willing to work for their share. That has always
been the American way. Now, pay attention because we are going to
repeat ourselves because you sorry ass morons didn't pay attention the
first time.

We wrote of an experience we had in Europe, a place we know well.

…He then went on to ask me why we thought Europeans were so anti
American. We gave him an answer that to this day, defines a good part
of our view of European anti Americanism. We went on to explain.
Europeans, we said, dislike Americans because, in a short period of
human history, went on to surpass Europe in being the center of global
influence. What was even worse, was that America was built by European
'garbage' as we put it. He started to object, but we immediately
interrupted.

We went on to explain that a century ago, Europe was only too
happy to rid itself of the 'wretched refuse' and 'teeming masses'. The
European elite and intellectuals thought that once rid of the annoying
and newly demanding 'unwashed' peasant class, Europe would once again
regain it's rightful place as the center of the moral and political
world, and thus preserve the imperialist relationships they had
established, if not formally, then by necessity. Through benevolent
noblesse oblige, Europe would assume control the economic and
political fate of the 'lesser' nations. Without masses of lower
classes, now demanding equitable political participation, Europe's
destiny would be assured. America, that upstart, would be relegated to
it's proper position- that of being subservient to Europe, no more
than a source of cheap raw materials for what must be the dominant
European economic model. He was intrigued.

We went on to explain further. Europe, we said, never got over the
fact that, unleashed, those 'wretched refuse' and 'huddled masses'-
their very own- went on to build success not only for themselves, but
for their adopted country as well. We said that these unwanted masses
of people understood what the elite and intellectuals of Europe never
understood for themselves– that given the opportunity, they were
perfectly able to fend for themselves, succeed and even excel. Thus,
the European 'refuse' become proud and worthy pillars in the
community. Their worth and contributions to the American mosaic was
far more than what the Europeans had exploited them for. Europe had
made a mistake by sending off it's most abundant natural resource,
it's own sons and daughters. All had been willing to work- and then
some, had they been given the chance. Europe had squandered it's best
and most precious resource- a population ready to do it's best, in
exchange for equal opportunity.

Here's the reality horse pill- Hispanic immigrants are no different
than European immigrants. Yes, they want to have neighborhood grocery
stores that stock food from home and they want to have dry cleaners
that explain the spot removal process to them in their own language.
So what? In New York, there are dry cleaners who speak Chinese, others
who speak Italian and still others that will unload invectives in
Yiddish. Spanish speaking dry cleaners will not sink the ocean liner
that is America. Besides, as that Hispanic grows out of the
neighborhood- and into your four cubits- the kid behind the counter
will be going to night school, studying engineering, or law. Be nice-
you might need his services one day.

Hispanics also want to educate their kids and build a future for their
families. They want o get educated and build businesses. Worried about
crime? Well, the Irish 'westies' were not much different than the
Italian mob- and they weren't much different from the Jewish
gangsters. They were crooks, all of them and for the most part, got
what they deserved. That didn't stop those immigrant communities from
growing, assimilating and contributing to the American tapestry.

Here's another unspoken secret. In their drive to become 'good
Americans,' most immigrants have always been ashamed of their criminal
classes- and in fact, went out of their way to be better than average.
They had something to prove. That's why Irish beat cops beat the crap
out of little red headed boys that stole apples. The cop didn't really
care about the kids. He cared that the kid's mother and family would
be ashamed. The Irish weren't all shanty, you know. Italian family
females were more formidable than most weapons of mass destruction.
There was an mother, grandmother, aunt or cousin to keep you in line-
and they didn't have to be related to you. Success in Little Italy was
a community event. Jewish immigrant parents made sure it was
understood that primary education ended with a Bachelor's degree. A
graduate degree was OK, but a doctorate was preferable. If you weren't
so inclined, that was OK, too. It didn't matter if mama died a few
years early, of grief.

There are mothers, fathers and children in the Hispanic community that
have Irish, Italian and Jewish traits. For those of you who are
wondering why I didn't mention Greeks or Bolivians, be assured that
you are idiots.

The lefties are as much racist and bigoted as those on the right- they
just pretend they aren't. They don't care about helping people or
doing the right thing. If they did, they would not be so anxious to
see Iraq distintegrate in chaos and death- in fact, they care about
people so much, they can hardly wait for that to happen. Why? Because
dead Iraqis, raped Iraqis and butchered Kurds aren't as important as
'getting Bush.' Shut up, lefty that's what it's about- and everybody
knows it. If left gave a damn about our nations security, there would
be, as The Anchoress once noted, serious discussions with serious
people. Here we are, in a post 9/11 world and 'BusHitler!' is thought
to be considered opinion. Here we are in a post 9/11 world and
mainstream media treats an absolute whack job like Cindy Sheehan as if
she were relevant to any serious discussion, anywhere.

If the left really gave a damn, they would have addressed issues of
poverty and education in minority communities. Instead, the left have
been the principal reason why black Americans are still on the
plantation- a plantation built and funded by 'caring' lefties. The
left has usurped the drive, ambitions and dreams of black Americans.
Why? Because 'guvamint cheeez' buys votes, that's why. The left
supports teacher unions that refuse to allow teachers to be tested for
subject competency. That's right- who cares if poor, minority kids can
read. In fact, it's better if they can't. Don't turn your nose up like
that- it is that simple.

Why do you suppose there is a knee jerk reaction to any black preacher
or leader that publicly says welfare is a bad thing? Why do you
suppose there is a knee jerk reaction when a black preacher or
minister rails against teenage pregnancy? What is so conservative
about that? Why do you suppose some black teachers have to fight to
teach responsibility and accountability in classrooms?

Ask Mamacita about schools and kids. She has plenty to say. She's
spent decades in the classroom and has impacted more lives,
intimately, than the Pope. She fights your impaired and TV induced
coma kids (you don't parent because it's so stressful) and she fights
a school system and school board that serve as vehicle for providing
VIP welfare- a county expense account. Show us a parent who is truly
concerned about educating their children and you'll find an adult
insulted that that they would be paid for doing what they are supposed
to do. Why the hell are school board members paid? Do teachers who buy
supplies and spend hours after school tutoring kids, get extra money?
What about those texbook publishers kickbacks and perks? Think any of
that is passed around by school board members?

Lastly, a word to the loudmouth Hispanics (fortunately, a minority)
reading this: You aren't special, you aren't important and neither
California or Texas will be ceded back to Mexico. You can be just as
racist and obnoxious as anyone else. Just because some little anglo
bimbo named Tiffany is impressed with your ability to recite nursery
rhymes in Spanish and pass it it off as literature, is irrelevant. You
are average, in every sense of the word. Your machismo means nothing
to most of us. One more thing- Che Gueverra was not a hero. He was an
evil, sick bastard and the whole world knows it

If you choose, you can work and make a life for yourselves and your
families. You have the opportunity to add to the American tapestry. As
is the case with most immigrants, you can adopt America and American
values into your hearts. If you choose not to, that's OK, too, because
in a generation or two, your kids will be Americans, no matter how
hard you try to ignore or prevent that.

You came here illegally- just like millions before you. It is your
misfortune to live in a era of computers. Deal with it. Play by the
rules, do what the government asks and do it legally. If you do, you
will get your shot. No, you will not be given immediate citizenship
and the right to vote. Why? Because in America, those are things you
earn.

No matter how many Hispanic illegal aliens are here, America will not
become Mexico. Every town has computers, decent police forces and fair
judges, unlike the places you came from. Play by the rules, and you'll
never have to fear the authorities.

We have more to say, but as it is, this post is too long. Our next
post will address those of you that aren't happy the President of the
United States isn't responding to your selfish and narcissistic needs.

We can only hope you've learned something. It's a long shot, we know,
but we are Americans- and we are an optimistic lot.

Good grief Sonnabend, the crime rate among the illegal community is as a percentage is less than in the general population as a whole, look it up.

Yet had they not been there to commit those crimes the statistics would be lower.

And a Marine would now be cradling his son rather than lying in his grave, the victim of a drunk illegal in a stolen car.

Let them come here legally? We agree, you are likely to dense to figure out why

Yet you seem too dense to actually deal with the facts I have presented rather than the nice liberal ad hominem.

Goldwater conservative...suuure you are

Well I’m guessing most things seem simple to you, simple solutions for simple minds.

The concept of not breaking the law is too simplistic?? Funny, to me it always seemed like basic common sense.

Sodding off now simpleton.

Don't let the door smack you on the ass on the way out.

You are still simply wrong. You stated again that this woman was shot for the crime of illegal immigration. That is simply NOT true. She was shot because she was a participant in an attempt to take someone's life. No one stood up and said, "Gee, that person is an illegal immigrant, I think I'll shoot her." The person was defending their own life. Whether she was a willing or active participant in the action to attempt to murder someone is not relevant -- she was a participant. She was shot because SHE put herself in a dangerous position. She was shot because SHE chose to participate in an attempt to murder someone.

In addition, you have no evidence that she wanted to come here to work. She may have come here because she had a broken arm and wanted free medical treatment. She may have been hungry and wanted to sign up for food stamps. She may have come because her cousin told her that she could get a nice free house if she signed up in the right place. To claim that every illegal immigrant from Mexico is here to work is completely ignorant of reality.

And once again, they are invading this country. They are attempting to come into this country, break the laws, and set up their own country here. They have no desire to assimilate and join America. They have no desire to learn the traditions and culture of America -- instead they want to impose their culture and traditions on this country. That's exactly how you invade and take over a country. Once again, just because you claim it's not so, doesn't make it not true. Open your eyes and see the demands for "Reconquista" and for taking, by force, much of the southwestern United States back to Mexican rule. Look and see the demands that services and government processes be done in their own language. They ARE invading. They ARE trying to take over. I'm truly sorry that you cannot see that.

Good grief Sonnabend, the crime rate among the illegal community is as a percentage is less than in the general population as a whole, look it up. Let them come here legally? We agree, you are likely to dense to figure out why. Seems simple to you does it? Well I'm guessing most things seem simple to you, simple solutions for simple minds.

Sodding off now simpleton.

I do not equivocate rape and illegal entry on a moral basis as I find rape to be a more serious crime. From a legal standpoint, they are both crimes and should be punished.

I do not equivocate murder and blackmail but each is a crime and appropriate punishment should be rendered.

I would not reward a criminal because you get more of what you subsidize or reward. If we keep rewarding ILLEGALS they will keep coming. You have the problem in distinction and in semantics. We are not bigots because all of us are perfectly happy for folks to come here LEGALLY. We welcome them to this country with open arms. But the ILLEGAL ones are breaking our laws and we want that to stop and we want them to be punished.

If they come here ILLEGALLY and get hurt then it is their fault for breaking the law. I don't know how to make it any clearer.

so it is your contention that coming here to work without permission is on the same moral plain as rape?

Not really.

The penalty for rape varies from state to state.

The statute in question is a Federal one. Personally, I'm for building the wall and throwing out every last illegal.

Erect a sign at the border.

Trespassers will be shot.Survivors will be shot again.

Works for me..it also seems to work for Mexico...but I dont see you excoriating them about their DRACONIC immigration laws...oh yeah, I forgot.

Nothing's a crime, unless it was committed by the United States.

Sod off, swampy.

Oh and here is the law to help illustrate the point.

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

* Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
* Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
* Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

Has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

Illegal immigration is a process crime, not a violent crime. It does not require vengeance

The number of crimes committed by illegal immigrants,including beheadings, murders, drugs, prostitution, slavery yto name a few are LEGION.

Were they not in the US illegally,the crimes would not have been committed. Those crimes include the death of a Marine just back from Iraq.

We need our immigration population working above board, being monitored, paying taxes, and not based on some arbitrary number pulled out of some Congressman’s hind end to define the proper level of the immigrant worker population.

Then let them come LEGALLY. What part of this escapes you?

Allow me to put in perspective: A woman was shot in the head for committing the “crime” of coming here without permission, “to work“.

No, she sustained an injury whilst being an accessory before, during, and after the fact of the commission of a felony, to wit, illegal entry to the United States and attempted murder of a police officer, said officer being at that time in the legal execution of his duties.

The attempt to pretend the crime committed is irrelevant to the treatment and punishment of those who have committed the “crime” of coming here to work, is pathetically lame.

She was a willing party to the commission of a felony.Hence she was injured, not shot in the head during this time.

Had she entered the US by legal means, said shooting would not have taken place.

It is neither moot nor irrelevant, it is however an indication of just how poorly some understand what it means to be a conservative.

You seem not to understand the concept of not breaking the law by not entering the US illegally. In case it had escaped you, some countries don't bother with trials or detention.

And on the subject, go lecture Mexico on ITS immigration laws.

The attempt by you to pretend that the law is the measure of morality, instead of morality being the measure of the law, is a distinctly Liberal mindset.

The law IS a measure of morality in that it rewards certain behaviour and punishes other forms of said behaviour.

Enter the US legally and you have a great time. Enter illegally and risk being shot.

Seems simple to me.

Big Dog I did not justify anything, I expressed condemnation of bigotry. Interesting, so it is your contention that coming here to work without permission is on the same moral plain as rape? That is more idiocy and is a perfect example of just why the Republican party needs to distance it's self from such as yourself or they will go down to defeat again in 08. The vast majority of the electorate does not share your view.

Redhead Infidel, I am not furious at Ms. U for not feeling something I think she should feel. I am furious at Republicans for being too stupid, or too chicken shit, to stand up to bigots, and those in the Republican party who think such views are defensible, they are not. Since when has it been a conservative trait to tolerate bigots? I passed no judgment on the actions of the LEO’s actions. I passed judgment on a bigot. She betrayed her bigotry by how she has chosen to express herself:

“and one female stow-away took one through the cheek and mouth. So what’s the problem?”
“
“They’re not “illegal immigrants;” they are “illegal INVADERS!”



We are being invaded? This is overheated rhetoric meant to stir up feeling of fear and loathing. Those “illegal invaders” ha ha, are coming here to work, not conquer. Calling them invaders is ludicrous. It is very revealing of the mindset of those who use such rhetoric. They’re frightened small minded bigots.


I have a distinctly liberal thought process, do I really? That is nothing more than a weak attempt to dismiss my views as "un-conservative". My views are very conservative, don’t need your affirmation of my views to know I’m a true blue conservative through, and through, but thank you for your arrogantly ignorant assessment. I’m no more soft on criminals than I am on small minded bigots.


Illegal immigration is a process crime, not a violent crime. It does not require vengeance, it requires fines, payment of fees, back taxes, etc. We need our immigration population working above board, being monitored, paying taxes, and not based on some arbitrary number pulled out of some Congressman’s hind end to define the proper level of the immigrant worker population.

Allow me to put in perspective: A woman was shot in the head for committing the “crime” of coming here without permission, “to work“. The attempt to pretend the crime committed is irrelevant to the treatment and punishment of those who have committed the “crime” of coming here to work, is pathetically lame. It is neither moot nor irrelevant, it is however an indication of just how poorly some understand what it means to be a conservative. The attempt by you to pretend that the law is the measure of morality, instead of morality being the measure of the law, is a distinctly Liberal mindset.

Cameron,
The fact that you excuse illegal behavior by justifying it with "they are here for a job." is disturbing. Do you justify the rape of a woman because the guy was only horny and a bit angry or do you justify bank robbery (or the robbery of a liquor store) because the poor guy was only trying to get money to buy food to feed his family?

The fact is, regardless of any other thing, she and all her fellow travelers were here ILLEGALLY. That makes everything they were doing here ILLEGAL. She is working ILLEGALLY. I don't really care why she came here. If it is that important to her to come and get a job she should do it the legal way, as have many throughout the years.

Justifying ILLEGAL behavior is wrong. Rewarding ILLEGAL behavior is worse and punishing a LEO for doing his job is unconscionable.

I actually pray that one day this prosecutor is getting beaten and robbed and as he is getting the hell beat out of him (preferably by ILLEGALS) the cops show up and tell them they don't want to do anything that might offend the ILLEGALS and land them in jail. They could then just stand around and watch this ambulance chasing weasel get stomped into a pile of goo.

I am no fan of police officers. I have my own opinions and I think that if they do something wrong they should get more jail time than the average guy. But I will defend them each and every day they do their jobs and do them correctly. These guys are targeted every day and when they do what they are supposed to they get prosecuted and that is the real crime here.

As for the lady, she was where she was not supposed to be and she got hurt. That is a lesson that you learn from childhood and that sentiment should be ringing in your ears in your father's voice. I can remember my dad on more than one occasion saying If you were where you were supposed to be that would not have happened. Incidentally, they did not put my dad in jail for doing his job as a parent.

I have no sympathy for someone who gets hurt through their own negligence and blatant disregard for the law regardless of their reasons.

Cameron, you're clueless. You're perhaps implying your positions on others. Ms. Underestimated NEVER said that she didn't have any pity for the woman who was shot. The woman was NOT "shot in the head for coming here to work." Those statements you have made have NO basis in fact or reality. The Mexicans ARE invaders, whether you want to admit it or not. They are NOT coming here "just to work." If that were true, they wouldn't accept billions of dollars in free healthcare, housing, and food. A very LARGE number are coming to have babies here for the free benefits, again, whether you care to admit it or not.

Then you really go into total looney-land. Because Ms. Underestimated opposes openly breaking the immigration laws, SHE is somehow responsible for terrorists who attack America? What freakin' planet are you ON? That's not conservatism, that's the hallmark of today's Democrat and leftist: no responsibility for the person who commits and act, hold conservatives responsible because they're evil.

As Sonnabend mentions, actions have consequences. That's one of the hallmarks of today's conservative thought. And I don't think Mr. Goldwater would disagree with that.

Cameron

If she had applied legally for immigration.

If she was not with illegal immigrants.

If she had not been in a car with a looney who drove at a cop.

She would be in perfect health.

But she did what she did and she took a risk, and that risk came back, and bit her on the ass.

Here's another conservative value you forgot.

Actions have consequences.

She now has to deal with those same consequences.

And all she had to do was apply legally to immigrate to the US.

Here endeth the lesson.

Cameron, you are essentially furious with Ms. U for not "feeling" something you think she ought to feel. That's a distinctly liberal thought process, and makes no logical sense. It is very difficult for people, particularly LEOs who deal with crime every day, to feel empathy for someone who is injured in the commission of a crime. That is entirely natural. What is NOT natural is to value the criminal and their situation OVER the LEOs. That is where you are.

Allow me to put this in persepctive: the woman who was shot was not fatally injured, and in fact recovered perfectly fine from her wound - a wound she suffered in the commission of a crime. I am not at all sympathetic for her plight. I am far more upset, angered, and worried for Gilmer Hernandez, who has been jailed for performing his duties, during which he suffered an attack on his life - and which he lawfully defended himself against. The illegal alien is not the focus here - the miscarriage of justice concerning Hernandex is.

You sir, have your priorities mixed up. It is people like you who go soft on criminals because they had a bad childhood, or because of their personal situation. The purpose of law is to exact consequences for breaking the law. Illegal aliens are breaking our law - they know it - they take the risks inherent in such a crime - and whatever they suffer as a result (whether it's a wound or death in the desert) - is a consequence of their own bad decisions.

Your sanctimonious preaching about a poor woman who's trying to find work is IRRELEVANT, MOOT, and has no place in this discussion. It's a typically liberal mindset to care more for the criminal than the law, and it's a major reason why we are facing this huge criminal alien problem today.

I'm sorry the one in three number was incorrect and mistated. It is three of four support "comprhensive" reform. MU you are not a conservative you are a reactionary bigot.

P.S. It is called the "painful truth" for a reason, and I'm sorry it pains you, but it is what it is.

Cameron:

The views expressed on this website are mine and mine alone; I never claimed to speak for the entire Conservative movement, so you can think what you want. It is, in fact, a free country, and if I'm not "your" kind of Conservative, then that's your issue, not mine. I am "my" kind of Conservative, and we don't all march lock-step to the same master, unlike the lunatic left.

I also have a very personal level of knowledge in dealing with illegal invaders, and I know what they've done to my town. Are they all like that? No. But to ignore the primary fact that they all are criminals once they arrive here illegally, should we just look the other way? Don't think so. They shouldn't be coming here in the first place if their country would provide more for them.

I'm sick and tired of the U.S. being the coin purse for every third-world or poor country in this world who need bailing out. It's not our job to help other economies just because ours is the best in the world.

The rest of the world (what we read of, anyway) "hates" America, but when disaster strikes, who is the first to arrive with help? The U.S.A. And who gets slammed if we don't help fast enough? The U.S.A. I'm sick of it.

GM Roper I made no judgment of the actions of the law enforcement officer. I think he may very well have acted well within the bounds of the law, and his duty to serve and protect. What I protested was the cavalier, unconcerned attitude contained in the original post.

"and one female stow-away took one through the cheek and mouth. So what’s the problem?"


Why no problem what so ever, she was illegal, she was shot in the head, so what?. If you think that is an attitude that would have found support from Senator Goldwater, you've lost your way.

The fact is, one in three Americans support a "comprhensive" approach to immigration and border security. What hateful remarks like MU's do is drive people away from the conservative message. They don't drive me away. MU's remarks and attitude do not reflect the conservative message I've held and tried to spread my entire life.

MU is no more representative of conservative principles and moral values than the Birchers. It would be just as big a mistake for the Republicans to allow such views to be thought of as legitimate representations of the conservative message, as it is harmful to the Democrats to allow the leftard moonbats at the DU, Koas, or Moveon.org to speak for them. Now it just seems both parties are racing to the bottom. It's a contest to see who can alienate the greater part of the electorate. Self described "true conservatives" have found the winning issue in that race.

It seems small government fiscally responsible, libertarian conservatives, are destined to wonder in the wilderness once more. Due to the Republican party's fear of standing up to the hateful bigots in their ranks.

To the liberal, applying any rational thought-like telling the difference between right and wrong behaviors-means they have discriminated. Propping the victim, whether it's a crack addicted prostitutel a terrorist, or an illegal alien riding illegally in the trunk of a car is perfectly ok. What's more is, they don't even see the fallacies in that reasoning.

There's no hatred or bigotry in pointing out those salient facts.

Hey camoron, in case you didn't know, this is a BS-Free Zone. You make it sound like the deputy put his gun to her head, and pulled the trigger. "The woman", was not "shot in the head", ding-dong! She took a ricocheted bullet fragment, in one side of her mouth, and out the other, taking out a couple teeth out along the way. Now you can say that she talks out both sides of her mouth... But she'll get free dental care camoron, complements of the American tax payers. And the deputy, he's lucky he didn't hit her in the ass, or he might be doing 10 to 12 years instead of 12 months, 1 day. Bottom line is, she was in this country ILLEGALLY, and not to work for minimum wage, but to have "anchor babies" receive free medical and social services, join a union, make prevailing wages, and send most of her money back to mexico!

Cameron, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I can tell you that the officer did absolutely nothing wrong. He did not deliberately shoot that poor woman and that she got injured was the legal responsibility of the driver of the vehicle. For example, If I rob a bank and you are the getaway driver, and I kill someone, you are equally culpable in the murder and will be prosecuted as such.

The post isn't rejoicing in the woman being hit, they are saying the deputy did nothing wrong in defending himself and the woman shouldn't have been there. Both of those are demonstrably true statements. I too am a "Goldwater Conservative" and have been since early 63, so, no, I don't think MU will drive me away. Sorry that it will drive you away.

Ignorance and hatred abounds this site.

Wake up! A 3,000 pound car is a lethal weapon. Driving it towards a police office is assault. Persecution of law enforcement officals will result in people avoiding that profession. When that happens no one will be on the front line against criminals. And by the way, illegal alliens are crimnals.

There is no excuse for you, lacking pity for a women shot in the head for the crime of wanting to earn a living is something you will need to answer for on your own. They are not "invaders" they are coming here to work, not conquer the nation. This kind of vile rhetoric will drive people away.

Yes why don't we emulate the policies of Mexico, any answers you can think of all on your own? Anyone who thinks like you needs to be denounced by the Republican party.

Coming here to work is not the same thing as an "Invasion". We need to reform our immigration policies so that they realistically reflect our need for their labor. No one gave a crap about Mexicans coming here to work before 9/11. We need to be able to cull those coming here to earn a living, from those coming here to do us harm.

All you are doing is driving people away from the conservative message. Your kind of anger and bigotry never sells to a broad audience, and yes that is what it is.

Me and many other long time conservatives will hold idiots like you responsible if we are hit again by the islamo-fascists due to your inability to comprimise on this issue, bet on it. You and the other know-nothings contributed to the mid-term debacle and will be driven from the ranks if you commit the same sin in 08. Bet on it.

Excuse me, Cameron, but I know first hand that these people coming here do NOT make minimum wage. And if they did, why don't they come here legally like others do? I have plenty of friends who've immigrated here legally and they are more infuriated than I am.

Or better yet, why don't we just copy Mexico's immigration laws and use them as ours? In Mexico, any citizen can take an "illegal immigrant" into custody and turn them over to the government. Mexico does not like illegal immigrants and neither do I. In fact, I'm using the wrong term. They're not "illegal immigrants;" they are "illegal INVADERS!"

Call 'em what they are.

You really need to get a grip on reality. The women was shot in the head, for what? For coming here to work? To make minimum wage, and you think the fact that she was shot in the head is no big deal? I've been a Goldwater conservative my entire life. If you think this sort of indifference to human life is going to do anything but marginalize those who hold such views you are badly mistaken. It is fools like you that will give the Democrats the majority for the foreseeable future.